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Tuesday, 8 September 2015

Llansteffan moths

Can someone help with this Pug trapped on 20th June.  I've been through the Pugs of Lancashire and can't settle on anything. Many thanks and hope everyone is well.


ps. It was trapped in Llangain over looking the marsh and river if thats any help. Many thanks.

The pot it's in is 35mm diameter and it's only in a third so that at my estimate makes it 10mm+ in size as a guess.  My fault for not measuring it.

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16 comments:

  1. Ian Morgan8 September 2015 at 06:12

    I thought of white-spotted or currant, but opt for the former.

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  2. Chris Handoll8 September 2015 at 08:28

    Could it not be Common Pug? Prominent white tornal spot and not much of a discal spot.

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  3. Ian Morgan8 September 2015 at 09:49

    I agree with your points and thanks, Chris. In fact, to my eyes, I can`t actually see a discal spot on the left-hand (unworn) wing. Also, common pug can have a 2nd generation which sometimes lasts into September. It was the three, quite evident, white spots towards the rear of the hind wing that `threw` me.

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    1. Chris Handoll8 September 2015 at 11:23

      Mel said that the moth was trapped in June, Ian, if it were this late I would have had doubts about Common P. too.

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  4. Mel Jones8 September 2015 at 11:53

    Thanks guys, are we saying Common Pug then?

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  5. VC41Moths9 September 2015 at 03:32

    Not a Common Pug for me. Looks more like Howarth's, or one of the other 'small' species.

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  6. Chris Handoll9 September 2015 at 03:47

    Haworth's looks good from Chris Manley's illustration, but how certain can it be without a size measure? A photo is required for verification according to Sam's 2013 list (not many Carms records!)

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  7. Ian Morgan9 September 2015 at 04:56

    Yes, Chris - she does indeed clearly say it was caught in June....that`s what happens when you rush a pug and not read things properly whilst running a bath!
    My only additional comment re this pug debate is that clematis does grow around Llansteffan (re Howarth`s possibility).
    Trapped last night (at home) - `next to nothing` in the trap!

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  8. Mel Jones9 September 2015 at 06:06

    I'll put more of my photo's on..... see wot everyone thinks

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  9. Ian Morgan9 September 2015 at 06:35

    Looking at Haworth`s (not Howarth`s as I said above...old age!), Haworth`s is supposed to have a reddish band at the base of the abdomen. What about lead-coloured pug PERHAPS (but DON`T depend on my unreliable pugs dets!!!). Was there cow-wheat or yellow rattle growing at the site? The mystery continues....

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  10. Mel Jones9 September 2015 at 06:45

    I quite like Valerian Pug?

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  11. VC41Moths9 September 2015 at 06:55

    I think you've got it Mel. I wasn't particularly happy with Haworth's (the abdomen was bugging me), but didn't want the discussion to stop on Common!

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  12. Mel Jones9 September 2015 at 07:18

    Thanks Dave, it quite looks like the one on ukmoths but I didn't look properly until you said it wasn't a Common Pug......I must try harder!

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  13. sambbryo9 September 2015 at 09:37

    I pondered Marsh Pug based on the darker photos, but agree Valerian Pug looks the correct ID. Only 24 previous Carms records, which is rather few for a resident Macro. Well done!

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  14. Mel Jones9 September 2015 at 12:18

    Many thanks to Ian, Chris, Dave & Sam, this site is a great help and good fun, cheers everyone.

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